Claire and Rachel speak with Dr. Shelly Rambo of Boston University, a leading voice in trauma theology and spiritual care. Drawing on decades of scholarship, she reflects on how Scripture and Christian tradition address wounds that persist and the ways Jesus prepares us to navigate ongoing pain. The discussion considers Julian of Norwich’s invitation to reclaim spiritual authority, the classroom as a space for post-traumatic growth, and Howard Thurman’s insights for sustaining spiritual vitality in moments of threat. Rambo also offers wisdom for those stepping away from institutional religion and seeking community that nurtures healing.